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>> announcer: starting right now, a special edition of "this week," inside the crisis zone. fight of our lives. jihadi john unmasked. but the fbi says we're losing the battle against isis. can we stop the brutal terror group before it's too late? assassination. who ordered the murder of vladimir putin's biggest critic? the massive march happening right now. and then, shutdown averted. congress keeps dhs open. for now. does our security hang in the balance? this morning, all the tough questions for secretary of state john kerry. an abc news exclusive. from the global resources of abc news, a special edition of "this week," inside the crisis zone. reporting from istanbul turkey
chief global affairs correspondent martha raddatz. good morning. as we come on the air, breaking developments on several fronts. across this region. all with significant impact on the u.s. we have just returned from the turkish/syrian border, where isis is unleashing a new round of terror. more on that shortly. but first, the latest from our global. on three crisis zones around the world. we start off with that stunning assassination in russia. one of president vladimir putin's top critics gunned down, shot in the back just steps from the kremlin. a huge opposition demonstration happening right now. in response. chief foreign correspondent terry moran has all the new details. good morning, terry. >> reporter: good morning, martha. a day of grief and dread in russia for all those who oppose president putin and his war in ukraine. they came out to march today. dissidents in their thousands. and think for a moment what it
takes to do that in russia now. it was supposed to be a march for peace, against the war in ukraine. it was set to be led by boris nemtsov. once a deputy prime minister. possible leader of russia. putin outmaneuvered him. he's dead now, murdered on friday night right outside the kremlin. putin is personally in charge of the investigation. investigators say they believe it was others in the opposition, who killed boris nemtsov, trying to make a martyr out of him. or they say maybe islamist radicals who did it. or maybe ukrainians. the protesters say they know whoever pulled the trigger, it's a climate of fear and intimidation that putin has created that led to this killing. boris nemtsov was the latest to be killed. few in russia think he'll be the last. martha? >> thank you, terry. now to the countdown to the speech sparking a dramatic rift between israel and the u.s. benjamin netanyahu is headed to
washington where he'll speak to congress on tuesday. it's a visit a top white house adviser has called destructive to u.s.-israeli lagss. alex marquardt now on the latest fallout. good morning, alex. >> reporter: good morning, martha. prime minister netanyahu taking off a short time ago. today calling his trip an historic mission to secure the future of israel. he has been widely criticized in israel for destroying the relationship with president obama by accepting this invitation from house speaker john boehner. in a speech to congress on tuesday, he's expected to call for more sanctions against iran. he's accused the obama administration of working on a deal that would still allow iran to develop materials for nuclear weapons. secretary of state john kerry says that's not true and that anyone discussing the specifics of the deal does not know what they're talking about because negotiations are still ongoing. now the manhunt for the world's most wanted terrorist,
the brutal isis executioner known as jihadi john. turns out, mohammad emwazi on the radar of british intelligence for years. this morning, many are asking could authorities have done more to stop him? brian ross is on that story. good morning, brian. >> reporter: good morning, martha. revealing the actual name of jihadi john this week has revealed an even bigger secret. there are so many young muslim men here with suspected ties to terrorism, the british security services simply cannot watch all of them all of the time. since he finished his studies at the university of westminster here mohammad emwazi had been closely tracked by the british spies at mi-5. they were not able to stop him from slipping out of the country to join isis, where he presided over the brutal murders of at least three american hostages and others. he came of age at a time when islamic extremists were urging
young people to carry out jihad against the u.s. and britain. we went to find one of them this week, outside one of the biggest mosques. chaudhry said he did not know emwazi but refused to condemn. so as of you you don't want to condemn. >> i know what i want to condemn. i want to condemn you guys for being the tongue of the biggest terrorists in the world, the americans. and allies, the british. >> reporter: the search has only intensified. martha, as you know, knowing his name is one thing. knowing where he's hiding in isis-held territory in syria is quite another. martha? >> thank you, brian. we just came back from that wide open syrian border, just across from the key town of kobani. where it took a four-month-long effort to push isis out. leaving kobani nearly leveled. so how long would it take to mpletely degrade and destroy isis as the president has called for?
let's bring in our exclusive guest, secretary of state john kerry. thank you for being with us. >> glad to be with you. thank you. >> secretary kerry i have seen this threat first hand over the last month in this region. and the situation seems bleak. "the new york times" described it this way. the reports are like something out of a distant era of ancient conquests. entire villages emptied. with hundreds taken prisoner. others taken slaves. the destruction of irreplaceable works of art. a rampage reminiscent op tamerlane or genghis khan. these were actions by isis just this week. do you stand by your recent comments that we're on the road to beating isis? >> i said we're on the road to success. that begins in iraq. yes, i stand by it. we're growing in the capacity on the ground, martha. each time the iraqis have now gone forward in an offensive effort, together with allies,
the coalition, we have routed isil. the fact is, that in iraq, they have gained back a -- a -- a fixed significant percentage of the area that isil was controlling. now syria is a different matter. syria is a bigger challenge. we'll need people on the ground, it will not be american forces. but we are working on that. there is training and equipping of the opposition that begins this month. arab countries in the region are stepping up their efforts. i have meetings this week with all of the gcc. i'll be meeting with ing withing with king solomon of saudi arabia. there's a great deal of energy and effort being put into this. i'm confident over time we'll beat, we'll indeed degrade and ultimately destroy, isil. yes. >> let me read you a few comments from this week. a top fbi official testified we're losing the battle in countering isis online.
director of national intelligence, james clapper, says this has been the most lethal year for global terrorism. the latest figures show more foreign fighters have joined isis in the past six months than have been killed. you said this week to congress that we're living in a period of less daily threat to americans with fewer violent deaths than any time in the last century. can you understand why the american people aren't feeling that? >> well i understand. orveg i of course i understand it, martha. people are thinking about the day-to-day vision of what is happening on the ground in syria, in libya, where 21 christians had their heads cut off. a soldier is burned, a pilot in a cage. where american journalists have been beheaded publicly. we understand that. but i still stand by what i said which is, in large terms, compared to the last century, there are, in fact, fewer people dying of the means that you look
at, boy, state war, violence, health, et cetera. that's not what's important. what's important right now is what james clapper said. there is an uptick in the level of terrorism. and specific incidents of people being killed. and that threat is very, very real. nobody's trying to minimize it. president obama has put together a coalition of countries that have come together. we're all superfocused on this. and we're focused on the internet cyberspace battle also. we have a center being stood up in abu dhabi. >> mr. secretary? >> yeah. >> mr. secretary, i want to move forward to mosul. i know your efforts by setting up these internets. in mosul, it's a hugely important city. second largest city. when will the iraqis be ready to retake mosul? will it happen this spring? will it happen in the fall?
>> um, martha. contrary to what was in the newspaper earlier sometime in the week, we're not going to advertise when that will happen. it will happen. we're not going to talk about the strategy. we're not going to lay out the plans. the iraqis are working hard to come up to speed. there's a lot of effort being put into this. we'll do it when the moment is right. and when we know we can proceed forward with the confidence we want. >> i just want to say. it wasn't just in the newspapers. it central command who said it would probably be this spring. i want to turn to israel and iran. you're headed overseas as you have said. >> that's -- it's interesting, as i think you have seen, that has been contradicted. and i think walked back. there are a number of different options out there. so nobody should count on what they have read or seen. this will happen when we're ready. it will happen on the coalition schedule. and it will happen when there is confidence that it will be successful. >> but maybe this year? >> i'm not going to get into timetables.
it will happen. >> okay. let's move back then to israel and iran. you're headed over for further negotiations. while you're gone, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu will be addressing congress. susan rice said it was destructive to u.s.-israeli relations. do you agree with that? >> well look we're not -- the prime minister of israel is welcome to speak in the united states, obviously. we have a closer relationship with israel right now in terms of security than at any time in history. i was reviewing the record the other day. we have intervened on israel's behalf in the last two years more than several hundred, calm of hundred times in over 75 different fora in order to protect israel. i talked to the prime minister regularly, including yesterday.
we don't want to see this turned into some great political football. obviously, it was odd if not unique that we learned of it from the speaker of the house and the administration was not included in this process. the administration is not seeking to politicize this. we want to recognize the main goal here is to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. and on that, israel and the united states agree. and the -- the testimony, in fact, to the efficiency with which we have been able to pursue that is the interim agreement that is in place today. israel is safer today because of the interim agreement we created. the 20% enriched uranium has been reduced to zero. we have stopped the centrifuge production. we're inspecting inside of their facilities. we have stopped the iraq
plutonium reactor in its tracks. israel is safe today. that is the standard apply to any agreement going forward. it is to guarantee that iran cannot develop a nuclear weapon. under the proceedure we're putting into place. >> one of iran's vice presidents said today that netanyahu's speech serves iran's interests. i was recently in iran. and there were a lot of people who wanted this agreement. does the action help iran? >> i'm just not going to play the game of walking into a debate about iranian propaganda with respect to this visit. as i said, the prime minister is welcome in the united states at any time. we have an unparalleled close security relationship with israel. we'll continue to. president obama has done more to ensure the security of israel by by the creation of iron dome, by the development of weapons that are specifically calculated to be able to deal with iran's
nuclear weapon problem. and the president has pledged that they will not get a nuclear weapon. now, i guarantee you we have said again and again, no deal is better than a bad deal. we're not going to make a bad deal. but remember, martha. there were many people who opposed the interim agreement. and said that was terrible. the fact is the interim agreement has been adhered to. it's been inspected. we have proven that we have slowed iran's, even set back its nuclear program. we're going to continue now to the next step to see. i can't promise you we can. but we're going to test whether or not diplomacy can prevent this weapon from being created so you don't have to turn to additional measures including the possibility of a military confrontation. our hope is diplomacy can work. i believe, given our success on the interim agreement, i believe we deserve the benefit of the doubt to find out whether or not
we can get a similarly good agreement with respect to the future. it is better to do this by diplomacy than to have to do a strategy militarily, which you would have to repeat over and over again. and which, i think everybody believes, ought to be after you have exhausted all the diplomatic remedies. >> just a final question. very quickly if you will. i want to turn to russia and the murder of one of putin's most outspoken critics. do you have any intelligence, does the u.s. have any intelligence or suspicions of who may be responsible for that murder? >> no, we have none. we wouldn't comment any way. but we don't have any. the bottom line is, that we hope there will be a thorough, transparent, real investigation. not just of who fired the shots. but, who, if anyone, may have ordered or instructed this or been behind this.
four men jumping out of a car, i think it was four in the middle of moscow in daylight is not -- sort of a common affair. and so our hearts go out to the russian people. this was a man who was deeply committed to a better relationship with the world. as deputy prime minister he worked hard to improve the relationship with the united states. he was known as an activist. as engaged. and engaging. and we are enormously saddened to hear of his murder. and we hope the authorities will join the world in producing the credible transparent investigation necessary to find out who was behind this and who did it. >> thank you very much for joining us, mr. secretary. have a good trip. >> thank you. thank you so much. good to be with you. now let's bring in chairman peter king.
thank you for joining us. >> thank you, martha. >> you know the threat. the public knows the threat. this was the first big test after the republicans swept congress. if there's anything democrats and republicans should be able to agree on it's funding for the department of homeland security. let me read you some of the words describes what yesterday's brinksmanship meant for your party. humiliating. congressional republicans are their own worst enemyiesenemies. as one of your colleagues put it, the american people deserve better. what do you have to say for the republican party? >> martha, there's an element within our party, a wing within the congress which is absolutely irresponsible. they have no concept of reality. listen, i am as opposed to the president's immigration action as they are. but the fact is, it'esessential that we fund the department of homeland security. you see what happened in denmark, in paris. what isis is doing with the beheadings. the people arrested in new york
the other night. for these people to be threatening to defund the department of homeland security at a time when the threat streams have never been greater at any time since 9/11 it's absolutely irresponsible. i said the other night at the republican meeting, that they're self-righteous and delusional. 40 or 50 people at most out of a caucus of 237. a congress of 435. we cannot allow such a small group to be dominating and controlling what happens in the united states congress, especially at a time when we're confronting terrorism. we have american lives at risk. >> chairman king, what do you do to bring the party back together? and does speaker boehner keep his job? >> we have to stand behind john boehner. and john boehner has to find a way this week as early as possible in the week once prim minister netanyahu finishes his
speech, to bring the clean bill to the floor for a vote. that's all we're asking for. we're asking for democracy. let it come to a vote. there's no doubt it will pass. th an appropriations bill that the republicans put together. it was our bill to begin with. 68-31, it passed the senate. we cannot allow this small group to block it. once this comes to a vote, we get it behind us. we move forward. we, as republicans, have to stand behind the speaker and make it clear, we're not going to allow this faction to be dominating and to be impeding what we're trying to do. it's important we lay out our agenda. otherwise, we have no chance of winning the president race in 2016. >> i want you to answer this quickly. reaction to secretary kerry. are we living in a period of less daily threat to americans and to the people in the world? quickly? >> yeah, yes -- right now, the threats are an outrage. we're not winning against isis. >> thank you very much. coming up, we're on the syrian border where isis is on the rampage again.
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border this site of a rare victory against isis, kobani, the syrian border town where kurdish fighters prevailed. over the brutal extremists. still, the destruction from the battle has left a devastating mark. it's easy to still see the destruction in kobani. almost every building in the town was struck during months of u.s. air strikes. isis was kicked out of kobani. but not before most of its inhabitants were displaced. almost everyone from kobani fled when isis moved in. they won't be going back anytime soon. they're all in refugee camps. this one alone, 45,000 people. now, a new crisis is developing for the region's persecuted kris than minorities. following the border east some 100 miles from kobani we travelled to this turkish town. the town of marden.
here, up ancient stone corridors lay churches and mosques. a place where religions have coexisted for aeons. where persecuted christians are now finding sanctuary. why target christians? this man says they want everyone to be part of isis. all the world. so of course they wouldn't accept christians in syria. this week, isis militants abducted dozens of asyrian christians from a string of villages in northeast syria. some reports say as many as 350 christians were kidnapped from their homes. >> we might be helpless. but we are never hopeless. >> reporter: father emmanuel yukana is an archbishop of the asyrian church in the east. he had been in touch with many of the fleeing families. >> i feel crying for them. this is why we're asking, please. let us have an end to this
continuous chapter of persecution. once and forever. >> reporter: long persecuted in the middle east, the asyrians are one of the oldest christian communities in the world. they still speak a version of aramaic. the language jesus spoke. the abduction is only the latest shock in what has been a harrowing year for the region's minorities, as isis swept through. last august, 40,000 of iraq's yasidi population fled. u.s. air strikes and humanitarian aid alleviated the situation until kurdish fighters finally liberated them in december. then, another blow. isis released a video showing the slaughter of 21 egyptians coptic christians on a beach. this week, video showing the destruction of priceless syrian
antiquities as well. thousands of years old, now ruined forever. >> the most difficult days are parsing now. >> reporter: and as the threat to christians in syria grows, another christian leader we spoke to left us with a simple request. on sunday morning at mass, remember to pray for us. we're now joined by matt bradley, who has covered this region for years for "the wall street journal." and matt, you and i have been talking over the last year, the last time we met in baghdad, we heard the secretary of state's assessment about what is happening in the battle against isis. what have you been seeing? >> well, for the past several months, the administration has been flogging this idea that they're making gains against the islamic state. the battlefield momentum that islamic state first had back in june, when they took over mosul and advanced to within shouting distance of baghdad, that they had reversed that tide.
there's really very little evidence to point to that. most of the gains made by anti-isis forces have been modest. they've been problematic. they've been done by shiite militia groups and others who have vested interest in trying to gain land and trying to subjugate sunnis in the western part of the country. so a lot of the on-the-ground victories have really been either very small, or some what mixed in terms of results and where this country is going. it's been more fragmenting. >> when you look at retaking mosul, they're saying it will happen with the iraqi forces, do you think it's possible in this year? >> well, the pentagon has just sort of climbed down from their original statements that said this would be happening in april or may. that was always going to be an optimistic assessment. that announcement caused a lot of outrage, not just in washington but in baghdad. where a lot of the iraqi military generals are saying, why are we announcing plans for this? why are we telling the enemy
when we're going to be attacking and how many soldiers we're going to be using? it's been difficult. a vexing issue for a lot of people in iraq. and a lot of people in the government. >> the iraqi security forces, from what you have seen as we all remember, they ran about a year ago. >> and not much has really changed in terms of the iraqi security forces' ability to fight against the islamic state. when this was announced, they said 25,000 iraqi soldiers versus 2,000 isis troops in the city of mosul. that's hard urban warfare. it will be street by street fighting. it doesn't look like they'll be able to take the city in the time frame they've announced. >> syria? quickly. that's another story. >> syria, there are no u.s. troops on the ground in syria. that will be very, very difficult. the united states has already pummeled the town of kobani. which you visited. it's been really, it's been hard
to put u.s. -- people with u.s. interests on the ground. trying to reverse the islamic state's gains. even the kurdish pesh merga, a lot of the other anti-isis rebels are not going to be really projecting the goals that the united states wants to see in a new syria. so it's very problematic. >> always great to see you matt. thank you. coming up, amid threats from isis and lone wolves, is the secret service up to the task of protecting the president? we'll ask the new director of the secret service. it's an abc news exclusive. later, our powerhouse "roundtable" weighs in on a presidential contender comparing the fight against isis to taking on protesting public employees. we're back in just two miniupts. protesting public im employees. what's the healthiest and best way for them to grow so that they really become cauldrons of prosperity
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we're back now. joining you from a region where the threat of isis is ever present. back home, the biggest danger posed by the terror group remains its ability to inspire lone wolves. as we saw this week with the arrests of three men accused of wanting to wage jihad and fantasizing about executing president obama. this morning, senior justice correspondent pierre thomas brings us an abc news exclusive with the man charged with doing whatever it takes to protect the first family. >> reporter: three brooklyn men this week accused of supporting isis, with one allegedly willing to assassinate the president. >> this is real. this is the concern about the lone wolf. >> we have always been concerned about the lone wolves. regardless of the organization they may be attached to.
we have to set up a plan that addresses all those what ifs. >> reporter: the what ifs have the secret service training day and night. make no mistake, this is deadly serious business. but the secret service's ability to protect the president has been called into question after a series of embarrassing and public failures. soliciting prostitutes in columbia. agents drunk in amsterdam. perhaps most damning of all this man jumping the fence at the nation's most famous address, making his way deep inside the white house. >> i think when you fail, and we have failed. we own it. now it's up to us to correct it. there's no excuses. >> reporter: we met with the man picked by mr. obama to fix what's wrong with the secret service. and repair its image. joseph clancy, a retired secret service veteran called back to duty. as for those failures -- >> there is anger. but then there's a thought of,
how do you fix this? how did it go wrong? how do we fix it? >> reporter: the white house fence jumper. that's a preparation issue. that had to hit you right in the gut. >> yes. absolutely. but that particular day, we had a con ver jens of failures. >> reporter: what about the sordid stories? >> it was a lack of discipline. i think a individual lack of discipline. we have to do a better job of mentoring, coaching, teaching, training our people that that is unacceptable. and to the critics in congress who say they wanted an outsider, what say you? >> i'm going to earn their trust. i take things day by day, minute by minute. we need to earn their trust. >> reporter: he admits the failures were devastating. he doesn't believe they reflect the people of his agency. >> i would not have come back if i didn't believe in the men and women of the secret service. we all want to fix this. and they're working diligently to try to get this thing back on track. >> reporter: we were there as a new class of secret service officering were being sworn in friday. clancy was on message.
>> now it's for real. now you have to be on your game all the time. >> reporter: the agency's attempt to improve its image comes at a pressurized moment in washington. with congress threatening to block funding for the department of homeland security, which including the secret service. >> the president, the first family, the white house, they're going to be secure. we're going to complete our mission. >> reporter: and all this partisan bickering comes as the secret service faces new threats. recently, a drone penetrated the white house perimeter. >> and i personally breefd the president on the events of that day. he had very specific questions. he was very concerned. as he should be. technology changes. we're working with private industry as well. those that are producing these drones. it's a global issue. >> reporter: as for the fence. >> the fence should go higher. we're trying to create time and distance so our people can react. >> reporter: he says the fence will look different. >> we have had our technical people testing raising the
fence, putting additional features on top of the fence. we expect it to be in place in the near future. >> reporter: his message to any would-be fence jumpers. >> i would have them look at the film on october 22nd when the canines were released. >> reporter: this dog at training friday seemed to want to send a message, too. >> the president! >> take the dog off. >> i wouldn't suggest it. >> reporter: for "this week," pierre thomas, abc news, washington. >> our thanks to pierre. now, much more ahead including the mixed reception jeb bush received this week in washington at the conservative con fab. [ cheers and booing ] >> our powerhouse "roundtable" weighs in on that. and the llama drama that dominated social media until being overshadowed by the great dress debate. what does it say about our collective attention span? but you please stay with us. collective attention span? but you please stay with us.
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the two top vote getters this year were senator rand paul and governor scott walker. >> it was rand paul winning the straw poll at the annual conservative political action conference for the third year in a row. but scott walker was a close second. virtually every republican thinking about running for president was there. and so was abc's david wright. [ chanting ] >> all: usa, usa, usa! >> reporter: an influential gathers of conservative firefighter brands. predominantly young. ideologically pure. and mostly well groomed. >> make sure you carry your bible with you and your woman. >> reporter: stopping at cpac is virtually required. how important is it to make a good impression?
>> i think it's more important not to make a bad impression. >> reporter: the impressions that count, not just the view in this room. but republicans and independents watching at home. that can be tricky. you're preaching to the choir here. >> my dad was a minister. one of his colleagues said you preach to the choir because you want the choir to sing. >> reporter: scott walker got a warm reception. he faced an unforced error on this question. >> should you become commander in chief, how would you deal with threats such as isis? >> reporter: walker cited his experience standing up to the wisconsin teacher's union. >> if i can take on 100,000 protesters, i can do the same across the world. >> reporter: nobody was beheading anyone in wisconsin? >> i said nobody else has that experience. nobody else but the president. >> reporter: jeb bush took the stage. there were audible boos. [ crowd booing ] >> reporter: a few tea party
representatives actually walked out. >> i'm marking them down as neutral and i want to be your second choice. >> reporter: he didn't back down on his call for immigration reform. even though he knows many disagree with him. >> we should give them a path to legal status where they work. where they don't receive government benefits. where they don't break the law. where they learn english. and where they make a contribution to our society. >> reporter: bush, not just trying to win over the room, but also playing to the crowd beyond. the format, q and a from conservative talk show hosts ho did not just throw softballs. laura ingraham. she tossed this to chris christie. >> explosive. short-tempered. hot head. impatient. and that's just what your friends are saying. >> wow. here's the word they missed. the word they missed is passionate. >> reporter: if you ask these folks, the republican standard bearer should be this man, senator rand paul. a libertarian, promising the largest tax cut in u.s. history. >> my tax plan will get the irs
out of your life and out of the way of every job creator in america. >> reporter: he's won the last three straw polls at cpac as his father did before him. how many republicans will agree in the primaries and caucuses? we shall see. still early days. for "this week," david wright abc news, national harbor, maryland. >> thank you, david. abc's political analyst matthew dowd, abc's cokie roberts, syndicated host laura ingraham and lz granderson from espn and cnn. so, let's start with the straw let's look at the actual results. the top five vote-getters we have here. rand paul on top. not a surprise. walker very close second. jeb bush coming in fifth. matthew, we know the straw poll doesn't mean that much otherwise we would have had presidents paul. was this a breakthrough moment again, for scott walker? >> i don't know if it's a breakthrough moment.
i think what it shows is the momentum, right now, behind scott walker. he's given basically two speeches in the course of his presidential nomination race. he's tied or in the lead in new hampshire. tied nationally. it's a continued momentum for him. i think one of the interesting things about this is it shows the desire of the republican party to nominate somebody that's not necessarily the quote unquote establishment figure. i think that really existed in 2012. but there was nobody that could take it way from mitt romney. they want somebody outside washington. >> scott walker has won in two very conservative venues. and the truth is everything he says makes it worse for him. that business of i've stood up to public employees unions and i can stand up to isis. >> actually i would argue that it makes it better for him in the republican primary. >> in the republican primary, perhaps. it makes it worse for him in terms of the media primary, the money primary. and a general election. >> what about that comment? he didn't compare isis to the
protesters. he did say, because i stood up to them i can stand up to the world. >> it was an offhand comment. i think ronald reagan made a similar comment. after dealing with jack warner, of the warner brothers studio, the russians can't be any tougher. that was reagan's sense of humor. and of course, the same people that are caterwalling about scott walker. how can you say this? it was an offhand comment. this is the way cpac is seen through the media lens. i'm not saying it's definitive. we know it's not for picking things. i think matthew's right. it's taking a bit of a pulse of where the grass roots are. a little bit more libertarian at cpac. but it was interesting. jeb bush had to bus in people. "the new york sometimes" did an amazing story on this. the buses left from k street. i wouldn't have wanted that if i were him. physically organized people. left from k street. bused people in for cpac. i think it's very smart. the bushes are playing varsity. they're not playing jv here. it's really really smart for
him to do that. let me just finish. i think jeb showed up. i think, he did -- he acquitted himself very well. the problem is, the problem is, the grass roots doesn't like him. he can bus in as many people as he wants. he'll get the donors. he'll get big money donors in florida, beverly hills, palo alto. that's the real game here. >> i think the sweet sound of him being booed at cpac is music to the ears of independents. because the further he looks -- >> we're not in the general yet. that's the problem. >> we're not in the general. he doesn't look that crazy. >> to you. >> that means everyone else gets to look and go, maybe what he says makes sense. >> he acquitted himself well. but i was trying to make a forceful point. >> mitt romney did himself in. he did himself in at organizations like this. because he kept pandering and saying what he thought conserveatives thought he should say. and so -- it was not his opponents who did him in. it was himself. jeb bush managed to avoid that trap. i think the person that won at cpac was john kasich. he didn't show up.
and i think that's the wisest thing for anybody to do. >> i think cokie's right. i think there's a great opportunity for somebody else to get in the race. where it's john kasich or mike pence. i still bet on some great lakes candidate taking the nomination. let me postulate something. what happens 23 a candidate shows up that liberalized abortion laws, had given weapons to iran, had tripled the national debt, had given amnesty to 3 million immigrants? >> stop talking about ronald reagan. >> bingo. what would happen if ronald reagan, with this record had shown up at this conference? he would have been booed. >> this is a different republican party. >> it's very different. that's the concern. >> so ronald reagan would be booed at today's cpac. that's ridiculous. >> with that record? with that record? >> the bill dealt with 3 million people. and with the promise of enforcement. >> the amnesty bill in 1987. >> who knows what reagan would say today about where we are.
we don't know. >> he didn't want to hear about reform. let alone any amnesty conversation. >> the idea that reagan would applaud the fact that we have 18 million or whatever number we're using today of people who are here illegally, he would be probably horrified. >> the main thing ronald reagan was was a great pragmatist. >> you weren't saying that. >> back to present day. i want to ask you laura -- laura, does jeb bush deserve credit for going into the lion's den, as he did, and sticking to his guns? >> sure. sure. >> you disagree with him vehemently on immigration. he didn't pander. >> he was a good governor of florida. that was then this is now. a lot of things have changed since then. he's been out of the game for a long time. but he has an amazing network of big donors, organizational skills. he knows how to work a room like that. i think in that setting, he did about as well as you could do.
but he did have to bring in people and bus them in. now i'm just saying, that's what he had to do. it would have been interesting to see how he would have handled it if he didn't bus in the people. >> so there's going to be -- >> jeb bush does not fit the time. jeb bush is too old, it's too long ago. the wrong last name. to me, if i were hillary clinton, i would want to run against jeb bush. >> absolutely. >> because i would want to say clinton legacy, bush legacy, let's vote on it. >> i wouldn't go with that. the 2.0 thing. >> but i -- i have to tell you, you talk to the clinton folks, the candidate they worry about the most is jeb bush. but let's turn to hillary clinton. very interesting moment this week when elizabeth warren was asked directly about hillary and offered an interesting response. >> i want to hear what she wants to run on and what she says she wants to do. that's what campaigns are supposed to be about. >> she was asked directly do you think that hillary clinton can be that warrior to the
middle class we need? she didn't answer yes. well, i don't know. that's what primaries are about. >> she's clearly not on board with hillary clinton. even though she's given some lip service to that. i think the election in chicago has now probably -- >> rahm emanuel. >> for the first time in chicago history being forced to a runoff. >> despite the fact that president obama was there. >> shocking with his personality that he wasn't able to win that. >> it's that he didn't take the time to understand the people that didn't look like him or have the same money that he had. that is a direct reprimand in terms of his policies. the way he's handled closing the schools, the way he's been handling the violence in chicago. that's what that was about. that was not about anything else than you can't just say president obama is my home boy and the minorities show up on your side. >> another story about the foreign donors to the clinton foundation. we now learned that some of those didn't go through the vetting, from algeria, 500,000
at the state department. the story looks bad. >> it stinks to high heaven. we'll see if the american media continues to follow the probe. as we see the beginning of right now. saudi arabia, other middle eastern governments, when she was secretary of state. she seems to have skirted some the rules during the time of her tenure as secretary of state. then she moved away from that. now the donations, i guess, were coming in again from foreign entities. again, i always say, if this were a republican, dot, dot, dot, how would this ultimately play out? i think for her to be able to make the case of i'm a new type of leader. not a carbon copy of barack obama, she has to portray herself as more like elizabeth warren. i'm champion of the middle class. i'm a populist democrat. >> she also gave another $300,000 speech. >> right. >> the problem is, it can't be words. it has to be actions. that's the problem with the stories that come out because it all smells.
before the break, the internet almost exploded this week with llamas on the loose. and then there was the dress. that is the inspiration for our puzzler. here's the question. how many page views did the buzzfeed story on the dress get? the story that got it all started, how many page views did it get?
so how many page views did that buzzfeed story get on the dress? let's see the wipe boards. >> i say 20 million. >> 20 million? you're way off. 10 million? >> way off. >> 17 million. >> the final answer, 37 million page views as of this morning. there's more. the viral sensation with the llamas on the loose, that received tweets of 4,000 per minute according to twitter. let's put that into context. cpac at the height was 300 tweets per minute. >> the la ma -- llamas should come to cpac. >> great good sense on the party of the american people. >> what? >> absolutely. it's much more fun to watch the llamas run around. than it is to watch a bunch of people making speeches. >> what's going on, matthew? >> i think it's symbolic of how we're today in this country, view things. we see a kid, an african-american kid in a hoodie. some people think one thing.
they see a police officer, some people think another thing. they see a muslim on the street some people think from their own perspective, one other thing. to me, with whether or not you saw black and blue or gold and white or whatever it happens to be, it's symbolic of how we approach life today. >> so few issues where we come together as a country to kind of talk about. really? everyone has an opinion about this and be heard. it was kind of funny. >> it was something nice about having a disagreement not based on race. >> commonality. >> only on something that depends on how your eyes work. >> i guess you can couch it as being nice. i just thought it was sad. there were so many important stories that broke this week. we're obsessed with llamas and dresses. we stay in the hard news and -- the break from hard news and avoid it. people excited about the llamas and not hillary. >> maybe the politicians should be better. they'll pay more attention to the politicians than the llamas. >> i think we have had
compelling politicians. >> the llamas in the dresses. that's a winner. >> that sounds like a cpac event. >> thank you, everyone. let's get back to martha. martha? we'll be right back with a final thought from now, a final thought from here in istanbul. while so many crisis zones may feel far way from the shores of the united states, one religious leader we spoke to yesterday reminds us that conflict can transcend all borders.
it's not just an issue for any one country but for all of us. and he hopes the world won't forget what's happening here in the region. and we end with good news. the pentagon did not release any names of service members killed in afghanistan or iraq this week. that's all for us today. thanks for spending part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight." we'll see you again next week. so long from istanbul.